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Check back here often for insightful blog posts from Running Niche co-owner, Bob Dyer, (AKA “Running Niche Bob”) about training for competitive long-distance running using the Lydiard Method.

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When Should I Start Interval Training?

Intervals are an important part of endurance training but must be done in sequence and the body must be well prepared.

Once the runner has built a solid aerobic engine through weeks of base building and built power and strength in their legs via hill strengthening, they are ready to take on anaerobic training commonly done through interval sessions. And don’t mistake these sessions for “speedwork” they are and have an entirely different purpose. Speedwork comes during the last few weeks as one gets close to goal race and is used for sharpening.

Intervals are an important part of endurance training but must be done in sequence and the body must be well prepared.

Once the runner has built a solid aerobic engine through weeks of base building and built power and strength in their legs via hill strengthening, they are ready to take on anaerobic training commonly done through interval sessions. And don’t mistake these sessions for “speedwork” they are and have an entirely different purpose. Speedwork comes during the last few weeks as one gets close to goal race and is used for sharpening.

Diagram of Lydiard’s training pyramid for runners, illustrating the progression through phases of aerobic base building, hill training, anaerobic development, integration, and tapering, culminating in peak performance.

Lydiard Training Pyramid

Interval Training Timing: When to Incorporate It Into Your Running Routine

In Lydiard training, aerobic base building takes 8-10 weeks and hill strengthening 4 weeks. Check out the Lydiard training pyramid shown here. Phase 3 in turn is 4 weeks of anaerobic development. If runners attempt this to soon, they have high risk of injury as their body simply is not prepared to handle the increased intensity. Additionally, there is no need to do anaerobic work early on in a training plan and anaerobic training can only be sustained for 4-5 weeks before the body breaks down. So, it has to be thoughtfully timed in order to get the key benefits from the work.

If you are undertaking interval training, you should ask your coach, “what is it doing for me and why now?”

As Lydiard used to say: “If your coach can’t tell you why you are doing your workout, then you should get yourself another coach”.

Lydiard said that intervals are “tiring, exacting work”. These workouts are designed to be uncomfortable at paces well above anaerobic threshold with enough recovery between to get through the workout holding good form. In doing this the body gets exposed to acidosis which you will encounter at the later stages of your race. The end goal is to increase the body’s ability to buffer acids so high rates can be maintained for a long period of time.

Interval training and speedwork are two entirely different things. Keeping in mind that long distance running is mostly aerobic, therefore the ability to sustain pace above anaerobic threshold is important. Speed is much less important and requires short bursts and power building not needed in endurance running.

Generally speaking, an interval workout can be structured by repeats of 400m, 800m, 1200m and 1600m. Usually 5000m to 7000m in total with each interval being the time it takes for heartrate to come down to 130 bpm. On Lydiard the athlete is given a pace chart which indicates effort pace for ¼, ½ and ¾ effort. The first couple sessions are done at ¼ effort with subsequent ones being taken up to ½ or ¾ effort depending on how the runner is responding.

The distances can be varied depending on feel and mixing it up to keep it interesting. Depending on how many days a week the runner’s plan is interval sessions can be one or two per week.

Here at Running Niche, we are trained Lydiard certified coaches. Please stop in the store to learn more about the Lydiard Method.

Ready to know exactly when and how to add intervals to your plan? Running Niche coaches use the Lydiard Method to time your anaerobic development phase for peak results. Stop by the store to talk with our coaching team.

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Why You Should Rethink the 20 Mile Long Run: Marathon Training Tips

Is the 20-mile long run the best approach to marathon training? Learn why it might not be ideal and explore expert-backed tips for safer, more effective endurance-building methods.

Why the 20-Mile Run is a Controversial Training Method

As we head into early March, I'll see the "holy grail 20-mile run" pop up on training groups’ social media over the next couple weeks in prep for target races late March and early April. Here are some thoughts on whether or not to do the infamous “20 Miler” as you are considering including such a run(s) in your training.

Understanding the Limits of Long-Distance Runs

So, who should be doing 20 milers and when? The litmus test is; can you complete it in less than 2 hour 30 minutes or 9:00 per mile. If yes you are good to go. And doing a 20 miler at least 4 weeks out from goal race is workable. Anything closer jeopardizes fitness, may cause breakdown, sickness or even injury. The longest you should go is 2:45 as beyond that the muscle fibers in your legs incur damage, which then takes days or even several weeks to repair. The slower the runner the more time it will take, the more pounding on the legs creating more physical stress which is impossible to recover from only 4 weeks out from goal race.

Insights from Experienced Marathon Coaches

Dr. Jack Daniels is a world renown exercise physiologist and a coach of Olympic athletes. He received his doctoral degree in exercise physiology from the University of Wisconsin. Named "The World's Best Coach" by Runner's World magazine. Daniels outlined his training philosophies in the 1998 book, Daniels' Running Formula. He mentors and coaches some of America's top distance runners in the country.

Dr. Jack recommends long runs be capped at 2:30 to 3:00 hours max. He says running longer than that offers high risk of injury and burnout. Click here to watch his famous explanation of this on YouTube or watch in the video in this blog post.

Strategies for Building Endurance Without Overtraining

So how should slower runners handle this? The day before their 2.5 hour run, they should be doing something of up-tempo pace, quicker pace of about an hour or so. Then within a 24-hour period they have covered 3:30, more than 15 miles most likely, haven’t damaged their legs and can properly recover. If you have a coach telling you to go out there and run the “20” and you can’t get it done in less than 2:30 ask them why, what is the benefit and how are you going to recover from this without injury. Ask about the science behind their pushing you to do this. We can tell you it’s not there. One last thought is that many times we hear the idea that the runner needs the mental confidence they can run 20 miles. That confidence comes at a steep price, of getting injured, sick or missing workouts and in the end actually jeopardizes the runner’s ability to achieve their goal in the marathon, whatever it may be.

What should you do instead to address the need for longer runs? We have our Lydiard trained runners the day before do an easy run of 8 miles and the next day do your long aerobic run of 10-12 miles. Sometimes depending upon where they are in the cycle the day prior will be of a higher intensity. Within 24 hours you will get in your time, gain the training effect and won’t get hurt or sick. Remember your aerobic benefit occurs between 1 hour 30 mins and 2 hours 30 minutes. That’s the science.

Main Takeaways on the 20 Mile Run

  • Research has shown that 2:00 - 3:00 hours on your feet, regardless of pace, is optimal for aerobic development. The major physiological benefit occurs between 1:30 and 2:30. Beyond that damaging muscle fiber breakdown happens that can take weeks to recover from.

  • Recovery from this damage takes minimally 14 days and, in some cases, longer.

  • The immune system is severely compromised, which increases the risk of contracting colds and the flu and is one of the major causes of overtraining.

  • If one's long run training pace is 7:00 per mile, it takes the runner about 2:20 to complete a 20 miler. If one has a 9:00 pace it takes about 3:00 is to finish a 20-mile workout. If your comfortable aerobic pace is 9:00+ you should not be undertaking the "20 miler", let alone doing multiple ones leading up to your target race. If your coach is recommending you include 20 milers in your plan over the next couple weeks, and your aerobic training pace is 9:00+, ask the question ‘why do this, what is the benefit, and what are my risks?'

  • It is the time on your feet that is critical, not the actual distance. If you are out over 3:00 you dramatically increase your probability of injury/illness which in turn may impede your end goal of finishing your marathon.

  • The physical damage from doing the 20 Miler far outweighs any perceived mental benefit to doing a 20 miler(s) leading up to their marathon. Completing a marathon is a physical endeavor, 99% aerobic. In those last few miles the "mental benefit" of having completed 20 mile runs in training won't help the runner overcome the physical damage incurred.

  • Arriving at the start line healthy and injury free after having completed a thoughtful training plan, based in science, where each workout serves a purpose and builds on one another is a better way to go.

If you would like to learn more about the Lydiard® Method, please visit our store, Running Niche, and talk with Bob Dyer or Jennifer Henderson, who are both Lydiard® Certified Coaches.

For more information on the topic, check out the video below on Running Niche’s YouTube channel of Bob discussing these same ideas.

Want a smarter race strategy? Running Niche coaches use the Lydiard Method to build marathon readiness without relying on the traditional 20-miler. Stop by the store to discuss your training plan.

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